Fortunately, for me, other, older members of my family had
not only questioned the source of the name but had actually done something
about finding the history behind it. This led my life long interest in history,
archeology, genealogy and a whole lot of other…-ology type studies. Using the
framework provided by earlier family researchers, I have been able to verify a
great deal of what had been done and discredit some statements and conclusions
drawn by others. I have always kept in mind that in the era ‘bc’ (before
computers), data mining was done in a laborious way in dusty town halls,
records offices and in the stacks at libraries. The other thing that I have had
to remember well, is that sources available 70-80 years ago were considered
reliable, yet today have been soundly discredited. There was a time, in polite
society, where it was considered a feather in your cap to have a highly
connected, if not Royal, pedigree. People paid good money to have the ‘proper’
pedigrees drawn up for them, just so they could circulate in the upper
echelon. The upshot of this is that many
pedigrees are skewed or may be totally inaccurate.
So my labor of love began sometime when I was a teenager. I
started gathering information about anyone named Pye. I borrowed or bought
books on Medieval England and studied the cultural, social and political
conditions of the day. I soon discovered
that really serious historians did not put much stock in names and dates before
1000 AD. That was still a time of oral tradition and many, if not most, things
were not recorded. It was after the year 1000, at some point, that recorded
history began to happen. So the first thing I did was put aside anything that claimed to be a carved in stone birth,
marriage or death, if it was before the year 1000.
There were many claims that the Pyes sailed with William the
Conqueror across the channel to The Battle of Hastings in 1066. The Falaise
Rolls and The Battle Abbey Rolls have both been discredited as reliable sources
concerning the men who left Normandy
for the English shore. There are only about 15 names that have been verified
out of the many who must have been in that army. He obviously had many more
than 15 men to help him defeat King Harold. The Battle Abbey Rolls date to the
16th century, but the original has been lost to time. A resurrection
was created in 1889 by Catherine Powlett, Duchess of Cleveland, and contains
many biographical details of Anglo-Norman families of Victorian times. The
Falaise Rolls were created in 1931 for a dedication. There are only 3
unimpeachable sources of names for the men in William’s Army:
1. Gesta Guillelmi II Ducis Normannorum ("The Deeds of William II, Duke of
the Normans ")
by William of Poitiers, written between 1071 and
1077
2. Historia Ecclesiastica ("The
Ecclesiastical History"), by Orderic
Vitalis (1075-1142)
3. The
Bayeux Tapestry – 11th Century
There is a list
of Probable, Likely and Maybes who were in that army. William’s Army was made
up of men from Normandy , Brittany ,
Flanders , France ,
and some from as far away as southern Italy . They were a mixed bag of
nobles, mercenaries and troops, more horse than foot, as the Norman Army carried
the reputation of the best cavalry in all of Europe .
It would be hard to determine which list the Pyes were on. I believe they would
be on ‘Probable’ because they did receive lands as compensation for serving
William.
An older cousin
had been to England
several times and had dug into the old and dusty books looking for records of
the Pyes. It was definitely a hit or miss thing for him. He did have some help
though. More recent generations of Pyes, living in Newfoundland ,
confirmed the family had originated in England ,
although different branches of the family came from different locations in England . The
pivotal point seemed to be Herefordshire, so that is where he began. This is
where the progenitor of the Pye family was located. But, of course, he was not
a Pye. Surnames didn’t come into common use until the 12th/13th
century, so this family was known by its Norman name – de la Mare, which means
“of the sea.” The people from this area of France
were known as Normans ,
or Northmen because they had invaded, conquered and then settled this piece of
the French coastline. They were said to be from Norway
and Denmark .
A great many of the men from this region joined William’s Army and fought at Hastings . The de la Mares
must have been one of them as they had been awarded lands along the Welsh
border, including a castle called Kilpec. It was their duty to help protect the
border from the unruly and warlike Welsh. Castles dotted the entire border of Wales and these
noblemen were called Marcher Lords. The
de la Mare’s had other duties as well. They were to be the overseers of the
King’s hunting lands, The Forest of Dean and the Forest of Hay .
They were also required to send a certain number of men off to join the King’s
Army, should he put out a call to prepare for war.
William FitzNorman de la Mare was in evidence in the area of
Erging, or Archenfield, a fiefdom of the old British Kingdom .
In 1086, the Domesday Survey, shows Kilpeck (registered as Chipeete) was given
by William the Conqueror to William FitzNorman. The castle is thought to have
been built in 1090.
One reference says the de la Mares were ‘kinsman of King William
I’, which leaves the connection wide open. This is taken from the “Guide to the
Parish Church of SS. Mary and David”, Kilpeck, p.1. It states: “After the Conquest Kilpeck was
given by the Conqueror to his kinsman William Fitz Norman. William was the builder
of the castle (some slight remains lie to the west of the church) and William’s
grandson Hugh – by this time styled De Kilpeck – was the builder of the
church.” The Domesday Book also shows William holding lands in many other
areas, for example:
Place name:
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Suckley, Herefordshire
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Folio:
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180v Great Domesday Book
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Domesday place name:
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Suchelie
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People mentioned within entire folio:
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Abbey of Sainte-Marie of Cormeilles; Abbey of Sainte-Marie of
Lyre; Aelfric; Aethelric brother of Bishop Beorhtric; Alweard; Ansgot;
Ansgot, man of William fitzOsbern, Earl of Hereford; Beorhtric; Burgess of
Worcester; Drogo fitzPons; Druward; Durand of Gloucester, the sheriff; Earl
Edwin; Earl Oda; Earl of Roger de Breteuil Hereford; Earl of William
fitzOsbern Hereford; Godwine; Gruffydd ap Maredudd, the boy; Herman; Hubert;
Hugh l'Asne; Ilbert; Joscelin the huntsman; King William as landholder;
Leofwine Latimer; Eadgifu, Abbess of Leominster; Lyfing, Bishop of Worcester;
monks of Abbey of Sainte-Marie of Lyre; Osbern; Queen Edith; Ralph de Bernay;
Ralph de Mortimer; Ralph de Tosny; Ramkel; Regenbald the chancellor; Richard;
Roger de Lacy; Saumur, Abbey of Saint-Florent of Saumur; Siward, thegn and
kinsman of King Edward; Urse d'Abetot; Walter de Lacy; William d'Ecouis;
William fitzBaderon; William fitzNorman; Wulfgeat
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This was found at:
The National Archives: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/
So at this point, we see how the de la Mare name has been
changed to the de Kilpeck name. As the names were changing, it’s important to
remember that not all the de la Mares took the de Kilpeck name. Only those
entitled to inherit the castle and lands seemed to have kept that name. Others
moved on to neighboring territories and their names became something completely
different. For the purpose of this blog,
William FitzNorman will be considered the progenitor of the people who became
known as Pye.